Re: The real Mars
Posted by ~Ray @ 2007-09-26 15:37:28
Well I saw some populate saying how scorpio now has pluto as a ruling planet and should leave mars alone and leave it to aries or something to that effect. I often see that scorpio gets attributed both mars and pluto and some people think why should they get the best of both worlds. One way to look at it is for all the good traits we can undergo from both we can potentially have all the bad traits from both. Saturn once ruled aquarius and capricorn and if you know anything about Saturn one thing it's about is restriction and many other traits that are nothing like Uranus that now rules aquarius. So I guess one thing I could ask is if you see more Saturn in aquarius or more Mars in scorpio?And why do you think pluto only should be attributed to scorpio and mars only to aries?
Because Pluto is evil and dark while Mars is lighten and goodness :)) I really do evaluate Scorpios are really much more Plutonian than Martian which is why I say Pluto rules Scorpio and Mars rules Aries. Pluto is the underhanded sarcastic self-protective and secretive covert darker brother and is more into mystery while Mars is upfront forthright in your approach free-spirited optimistic and doesn't have the same darkness that Pluto has. Pluto is also known as Hades for the underworld which is definitely Scorpio. While Aries and Scorpios do share a lot of similarities and core values our approaches to things are so different and our outlooks are different.
if you go the evolution of astrological thought. Pluto wasn't discovered until 1930 ~ not really all that long ago astrologically speaking:A commonly used keyword for Pluto is "transformation". It is associated with power and personal mastery and the need to co-operate and overlap with another if each is not to be destroyed. Pluto governs big business and wealth mining surgery and detective bring home the bacon and any enterprise which involves digging under the ascend to bring the truth to lighten. Pluto is also associated with extreme power and corruption; the discovery of Pluto in 1930 coincided with the go of fascism and Stalinism in Europe leading to the Second World War. It also coincided with the Great Depression and the study proliferation of organized crime in the United States. ... It is also associated with nuclear armament which had its genesis in the research of the 1930's and 40's. ... The discovery of Pluto also occurred just after the birth of modern psycho-analysis when Freud and Jung began to explore the depths of the unconscious. In art movements desire Cubism and Surrealism began to interpret the 'normal' view of the world and assemble it in new and sometimes disturbing ways from for much of our human history we have not had the technology we now do for gazing at the cosmos & until we made these advancements our symbols of the Universe were likewise limited ~ the classical planets (mostly visible without advanced telescopes) covered everything ~when our consciousness expanded when we discovered new things (new to us at least) there was also a corresponding expansion of the symbols used to describe our larger understanding ~but what we discovered didn't make us "do by" in the past ~ using the limited symbols was allot for our limited vision & as we continue to understand more & more of our universe astrology ordain add & re-work more & more symbols accordingly ~ as above so belowas soon as Pluto was discovered most astrologers easily made the change by reversal to the ruler of Scorpio ~ I think that Scorpio is comfort connected with Mars & that Mars acts as a kind of foundation (or displace octave) for Scorpio but to me the ruler is most definitely Pluto ~ I don't just abandon my roots! . but I do consider new sources.... I'm a Scorpio Sun. Scorpio Moon. Aries ascendant. Saturn was the ruler of Aquarius before Uranus was discovered in 1781:Uranus was discovered only in 1781 by Sir William Herschel. Astrologically modern interpretations associate Uranus with the principles of genius individuality new and unconventional ideas discoveries electricity inventions and the beginnings of the industrial revolution. Uranus governs societies clubs and any assort dedicated to humanitarian or progressive ideals. Historically it was associated with the principles of the Enlightenment and radical political ideas of equality and freedom among other things. Around the period of its discovery in 1781 the idea of democracy and the human rights was prevalent with the breakaway of the American colonies from England and a few years later in 1789 the cut revolution. In art and literature the discovery of Uranus coincided with the Romantic movement which emphasised individuality and freedom of expression from & Jupiter was the ruler of Pisces before Neptune was discovered in 1846. Astrologically modern Western astrologers associate the planet Neptune with idealism and compassion but also with illusion confusion and deception; with religions spirituality and mysticism the mass media creativity in art and music drugs extreme sensitivity conceive of and imagination psychic phenomena and altered mental states. Neptune governs hospitals prisons mental institutions and any place such as a monastery that involves a go from society. Its appearance coincided with the discovery of anesthetics and hypnotism. In political terms Neptune was linked to the rise of nationalist movements throughout Europe in countries desire Germany. Italy. Hungary. Ireland and Serbia seeking independence for their nations inspired by an idealized past of legend. It was also linked to the rise of socialism and the beginnings of the welfare express. Neptune also coincided with the utopian ideals of Communism when Marx and Engels first published 'The Communist Manifesto' in 1848. In art the impressionist movement began a trend away from literal representation to one based on the subtle changing moods of lighten and color from there is a method to this *madness*!love all-ways,mem [ADVERTHERE]Related article:
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